Comments on: Women and “Social Justice” http://www.clarkecomments.com/archives/women-and-social-justice/ Clarke comments on the Restoration Movement and the Church of Christ. Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:11:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: Travis http://www.clarkecomments.com/archives/women-and-social-justice/#comment-546 Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:42:25 +0000 http://www.clarkecomments.com/archives/women-and-social-justice/#comment-546 Edward Fudge has an interesting scriptural analysis of some of the scriptures being discussed here: <a href="http://www.injesus.com/index.php?module=message&#38;task=view&#38;MID=AT007JUJ&#38;GroupID=DA007Q4Q" rel="nofollow">Women Teaching Men</a> Edward Fudge has an interesting scriptural analysis of some of the scriptures being discussed here:

Women Teaching Men

]]> by: MarkaDoodle http://www.clarkecomments.com/archives/women-and-social-justice/#comment-545 Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:27:50 +0000 http://www.clarkecomments.com/archives/women-and-social-justice/#comment-545 Oh, Ron, Nonny over at icocnews.com has the same issue as you: he posts a news article or editorial and we all comment on it in the comments section. The he says he wishes we'd all discuss it in his forums. The we ignore him and discuss it in the comments section anyway. Oh, Ron, Nonny over at icocnews.com has the same issue as you: he posts a news article or editorial and we all comment on it in the comments section. The he says he wishes we’d all discuss it in his forums. The we ignore him and discuss it in the comments section anyway.

]]> by: MarkaDoodle http://www.clarkecomments.com/archives/women-and-social-justice/#comment-544 Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:24:59 +0000 http://www.clarkecomments.com/archives/women-and-social-justice/#comment-544 I'll just reiterate, since JTB's article *almost* says it: It is not enough to read what Paul or Jesus said. It's not even enough to read it in Greek or study how and why he said it. It's not even enough just to consider other sources for background. If we don't dig in to understand what he actually *meant*, I believe we show a grave disrespect for his writings. This means we have to do "all of the above" and tie it all together with an understanding that they didn't "do church" even remotely like the way we do it. He's addressing what folks did in someone's home. He's addressing what they did as part of a MUCH less organized (in an "order of worship" way) "church service", if you could even call it that, than what we see today. Some folks regularly got together (they call that an "ekklesia") at someone's home, ate together, broke bread and drank wine together as a remembrance of Jesus, and probably sang some songs. In fact, from some of what he says, it seems it was TOO unorganized. I do think all of us want the Bible to be easy to understand, so that even a person with an IQ of 80 can figure out what Jesus wants us to do. But 'doing our best to show ourselves approved' seems to require a little digging. To me, we have to remember all of that and think, "what it is some women were doing that Paul wanted stopped?" Anything beyond that is, well, "going beyond what is written." I’ll just reiterate, since JTB’s article *almost* says it: It is not enough to read what Paul or Jesus said. It’s not even enough to read it in Greek or study how and why he said it. It’s not even enough just to consider other sources for background. If we don’t dig in to understand what he actually *meant*, I believe we show a grave disrespect for his writings. This means we have to do “all of the above” and tie it all together with an understanding that they didn’t “do church” even remotely like the way we do it. He’s addressing what folks did in someone’s home. He’s addressing what they did as part of a MUCH less organized (in an “order of worship” way) “church service”, if you could even call it that, than what we see today. Some folks regularly got together (they call that an “ekklesia”) at someone’s home, ate together, broke bread and drank wine together as a remembrance of Jesus, and probably sang some songs. In fact, from some of what he says, it seems it was TOO unorganized.

I do think all of us want the Bible to be easy to understand, so that even a person with an IQ of 80 can figure out what Jesus wants us to do. But ‘doing our best to show ourselves approved’ seems to require a little digging.

To me, we have to remember all of that and think, “what it is some women were doing that Paul wanted stopped?” Anything beyond that is, well, “going beyond what is written.”

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